The Mostly Legal podcast is back for season 3 and we are starting this season off with a true bang! Have you ever wondered what coaching softball and the legal industry could have in common? Starting off for this season, Michael Cohen, an ALA fan favorite, sits down with Amanda and Rob to address everything from sports to the stigmas behind mental health. Michael has found that his experiences outside the workspace have benefited and opened the door to other opportunities within the legal industry. As a true family man, Michael shares what he is passionate about and what continues to motivate him every single day. Do we have your attention yet? Time to listen to the first episode of the highly anticipated season 3!

About the Guest

Michael Cohen

Michael S. Cohen is a partner in Duane Morris’ Employment, Labor, Benefits and Immigration Practice Group. Michael concentrates his practice in the areas of employment law training and counseling. He has trained and counseled employers throughout the country on subjects including harassment prevention; diversity, equity, inclusion and belonging; combatting implicit bias; performance management; discipline and discharge; hiring and recruiting practices; performance evaluations; FMLA, ADA and FLSA compliance and more. Michael also has conducted investigations into claims of harassment and discrimination and has drafted employee handbooks, employment agreements, non-compete agreements and post-termination agreements. Michael typically conducts between 200 and 250 trainings each year. He has represented clients throughout the country in EEO and other administrative proceedings.
Michael has been cited as a national authority on employment issues by The New York Times, The Associated Press, USA TodayMSNBC.comHR MagazineSHRM On-LineEmployment Law 360Inside Counsel Magazine, as well as many other publications. Michael serves as a Board Member of GenHERation and Serve, Inc. Michael is a 1997magna cum laude graduate of Temple University Beasley School of Law and a cum laude graduate of the University of Pennsylvania.

Episode Resources

The Mostly Legal Podcast is back for season 2 and we’re starting this second go-around off with a bang!

How do you know when it’s time for a career change? Maybe you’re not enjoying the work you’re doing, not happy at your current employer, or perhaps you’re in the wrong industry altogether. Alex Su (Head of Community Development for Ironclad) thinks you’re much more likely to be successful in your career if you focus on doing something that’s aligned with your strengths instead of trying to fix your weaknesses.

A former lawyer now working in legal technology, Su found one of his many strengths was social media, and before he knew it, he had almost 70,000 followers on TikTok watching his jokes about the legal industry. But there’s so much more to him than just some content about paralegals…

Join us for this discussion on what it means to find your own path and be successful, even if it’s not what you initially envisioned.

About the Guest

Alex Su

Head of Community Development, Ironclad, Inc.

Alex Su is a former lawyer now working at the cutting edge of legal technology as the Head of Community Development at Ironclad (YC S15), a contracts technology company backed by Accel, Sequoia, and other leading investors. You may know him as @legaltechbro on TikTok, where he makes silly videos poking fun at the legal industry.

Previously, he was an associate at Sullivan & Cromwell and clerked for a federal judge. Su graduated from Northwestern Law, where he was editor of the law review and the student commencement speaker.

For more of his stories about his journey through law and legal tech, subscribe to his Substack (linked below).

Episode Resources

Pitch Your Passion:

Thanks for tuning in! Join us back here next week for episode 2 with Brandi Hobbs.

You may be asking yourself, why should I listen to a podcast about legal management? The answer is simple: as a pioneer in law firm tech sales and a seasoned law firm leader, Rob and Amanda have combined experience of almost 25 years in the legal industry. These two industry titans have seen it all and have some crazy stories to tell with guests that won’t fail to keep you on your toes. But this show won’t be about academic issues surrounding legal management, unruly clients, or the practice of law itself; instead, it will focus on the lives of the people who make law firms run, the ones who humanize an industry that is arguably the most cutthroat in the world. So buckle your seatbelts, we’re about to take a ride. Don’t believe us? Find out for yourself.

About the Guests

Rob Joyner

VP of Marketing & Sales, Centerbase

Rob Joyner is the VP of Sales and Marketing at Centerbase. With almost 8 years of experience in the legal tech industry, Rob has been a pivotal part in the development and evolution of Centerbase.

Rob received his bachelor’s degree in Business Administration and Marketing from the University of North Texas and is a member of Revenue Collective, a private, invitation-only community of sales and marketing executives at growth-focused companies.

A Texas native, Rob and his beautiful wife Michelle, share the sweetest and coolest 3 year old twins in the world, Ames and Joules.

And if that wasn’t enough, aside from running Centerbase and being a great father and husband, Rob is also an artist! He enjoys painting large, abstract paintings, with most of his pieces reaching over 6’ in at least one dimension. If you’re curious to check it out, you can find his art @paintedjoyner on Instagram.

Amanda Koplos

Executive Director, ShuffieldLowman

Amanda Koplos, CLM, CPA, is the Executive Director for Central Florida-based Shuffield, Lowman and Wilson, P.A. She has almost 17 years of experience in law firm management at firms of multiple sizes. Amanda received her bachelor’s degree in communications from Texas State University and her MBA with a concentration in accounting from St. Edward’s University. She is also proud to hold the distinction of Certified Legal Manager - CLM. Legal management isn’t just a career for Amanda, it’s a passion. In support of that passion, Amanda has been active in the Association of Legal Administrators since 2005. She has held numerous positions at the local, regional and international levels. In May 2021 she began a 3-year term as a member of the Board of Directors. Amanda is also a frequent speaker on legal management topics having given or moderated sessions on: DEI&A, budgeting and accounting, facilities and office moves, and social media.

Amanda is a native of Central Texas but has made her home in Orlando, FL with her husband and two kids since the end of 2018. In her “spare” time, Amanda and her husband are huge NFL fans. She roots exclusively for the Green Bay Packers and shows her devotion with action figures, stock ownership, fuzzy dice and a small, discrete, tastefully placed tattoo.

Episode Resources

A few colleges with degrees or certificates in legal management:

States that currently allow non-lawyer ownership of law firms as of air date:




The American Bar Association approved a resolution encouraging states and other jurisdictions to “consider innovative approaches to expanding access to justice with the goal of improving affordability and quality of civil legal services.”

Texas Opinion on the Job Titles for Non-Lawyer employees